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senator dick durbin joins us this morning. always great to talk to you. appreciate your time. >> thanks, soledad. >> now with this latest development, how hopeful are you that, in fact, a deal is going to get done? and what would that deal look like? >> well, we should reach an agreement. the point i made was, when it comes to medicare, we know that it's going to run out of money in twelve years. whatever changes we want to make should be thoughtful changes. not made in the heat of the fiscal cliff. not done in the closing days here, of a lame duck session. let's look at this thoughtfully and make sure at the end of the day medicare is going to survive and be stronger. but i think there is plenty of ground here for us to come together as democrats and republicans, the congress and the president, and avoid the worst parts of the fiscal cliff. >> okay, so what entitlements then? what would you put on the table? right now it's been the narrative is kind of republicans will put taxes on the table, democrats will put entitlements on the table. and i talked to
senator dick durbin joins us this morning. always great to talk to you. appreciate your time. >> thanks, soledad. >> now with this latest development, how hopeful are you that, in fact, a deal is going to get done? and what would that deal look like? >> well, we should reach an agreement. the point i made was, when it comes to medicare, we know that it's going to run out of money in twelve years. whatever changes we want to make should be thoughtful changes. not made in the...
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durbin making it clear he's -- there's a lot of different ways to get there. would you consider that? ways to raise money from the wealthy without raising rates? >> there are ways to get there. but i think a lot of this goes back to where you start the whole discussion from. you know, those of us who have worked on this for a long time, the simpson/bowles plan, which has gained a lot of attention, even our gang of six efforts, which we think improved upon the plan. we started with the rates going back up, you use that baseline and then you work down. you can then use some of these tax reform ideas to bring the rates back down, but you basically, we need, you know, on a ten year basis, more than $1 trillion of net new revenue as we think about some of the additional cuts we're going to have to make and some of the reforms to the entitlement programs. i agree with the president, let's go ahead and bring the rates back up, but then like simpson/bowles, we can use a tax reform effort, whether it is capping tax expenditures or actually going through in a more thoro
durbin making it clear he's -- there's a lot of different ways to get there. would you consider that? ways to raise money from the wealthy without raising rates? >> there are ways to get there. but i think a lot of this goes back to where you start the whole discussion from. you know, those of us who have worked on this for a long time, the simpson/bowles plan, which has gained a lot of attention, even our gang of six efforts, which we think improved upon the plan. we started with the...
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you were just talking to senator durbin. what would be really good is if this sort of bland smoke, frankly, senator durbin's a friend of mine. but this bland smoke we're hearing on entitlements from democrats and taxes from republicans, if -- behind closed doors they're able to talk more specifically. i think this is what represents, actually, some kind of progress and i'm starting to feel a bit more hopeful than i was a few weeks ago that maybe we're going to start to get somewhere. >> yeah. maybe. i don't know. >> do we still have senator durbin with us? >> yes, i'm still here. >> i don't think he's run away. >> senator durbin, can you talk about putting medicaid to the side, social security to the side, focusing on medicare. put a dollar figure out. how much savings do you think is a reasonable number that democrats could tolerate? we know that the school of thought on taxes is somewhere between 800 and 1.6. we know that spending cuts will probably be $1.2 trillion or north of that. what number could you live with in spec
you were just talking to senator durbin. what would be really good is if this sort of bland smoke, frankly, senator durbin's a friend of mine. but this bland smoke we're hearing on entitlements from democrats and taxes from republicans, if -- behind closed doors they're able to talk more specifically. i think this is what represents, actually, some kind of progress and i'm starting to feel a bit more hopeful than i was a few weeks ago that maybe we're going to start to get somewhere. >>...
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you heard dick durbin there. tick off for me and be specific, what are democrats willing to give on in this negotiation? >> well, i think the senator's absolutely correct, we need to compromise. there's no question about that. and we will not, however, in any way, shape or form, jeopardize the planned benefits for social security. i mean that's kind of installed in the american people. we changed social security over the years in order to meet the demands that the program insists upon. we will do that. but we'll do that in a bipartisan fashion. >> okay, so compromise. social security is off the table. medicare, walk me through what are the changes here? >> we've already -- we have already cut benefits. we have already cut dollars for medicare. but not benefits. and we will not compromise on the question of guaranteed benefits of medicare. >> what do you compromise on? >> we can change medicare. as you well know, we save medicare $750 billion -- million dollars and that was because of the medicare advantage progra
you heard dick durbin there. tick off for me and be specific, what are democrats willing to give on in this negotiation? >> well, i think the senator's absolutely correct, we need to compromise. there's no question about that. and we will not, however, in any way, shape or form, jeopardize the planned benefits for social security. i mean that's kind of installed in the american people. we changed social security over the years in order to meet the demands that the program insists upon. we...
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entitlement reform but then in the next moment dick durbin says he doesn't want to change medicare. take a listen. >> we have got to make sure that there is seemless coverage of affordable health insurance for every american. my concern about raising that medicare retirement age is there will be gaps in coverage. this has been the problem so far. republicans don't want to give in on taxes they say they will will, they will make some concessions but they haven't yet. democrats say they are willing to work and make concessions on entitlement reform but sketchy on the details. both sides know what they need to do to find common ground but they haven't done it yet. >> ed henry at the white house. thanks. president obama has chosen a new head of the securities and exchange regulation. who heads wall street. her name is elise walter. she has been a member of the commission since president george w. bush appointed her in 2008. she is set now to replace mary shapiro who took over in the middle of the worst financial crisis since the great depression. mary shapiro is credited with leading th
entitlement reform but then in the next moment dick durbin says he doesn't want to change medicare. take a listen. >> we have got to make sure that there is seemless coverage of affordable health insurance for every american. my concern about raising that medicare retirement age is there will be gaps in coverage. this has been the problem so far. republicans don't want to give in on taxes they say they will will, they will make some concessions but they haven't yet. democrats say they are...
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durbin: mr. president, i've listened closely to this debate because it literally affects my career, my life and the lives of all the members of the senate. it's worth a minute or two to understand what we're talking about in the history -- context of history. it was president woodrow wilson who said to the congress, we want to arm the merchant marine of the united states, put guns on merchant marine ships before world war i, before we were engaged in world war i, to protect those ships from being destroyed or sunk by the warring parties in world war i. he sent that request to congress and it was stopped in this senate? this chamber -- in this senate, in this chamber by one is that right. one senator in those days could stand up and say, "i object." end of story. but president wilson said, that's an outrage that one senator can say that, can stop even the consideration of a measure to protect american lives and our merchant marine? and he created this firestorm of public opinion. and so they creat
durbin: mr. president, i've listened closely to this debate because it literally affects my career, my life and the lives of all the members of the senate. it's worth a minute or two to understand what we're talking about in the history -- context of history. it was president woodrow wilson who said to the congress, we want to arm the merchant marine of the united states, put guns on merchant marine ships before world war i, before we were engaged in world war i, to protect those ships from...
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. >> so far, senator durbin has limited company among some fellow democrats. keeping them honest during the last budget showdown, both sides talked like this, but then they backed away. also as we mentioned a moment ago, there are late new signs that nobody's quite ready to cut a deal. another round of white house talks between congressional leaders and president obama was promised but is yet to materialize. a senate democratic leadership aid telling us that staff level meetings meant to lay the groundwork haven't been productive. one senate republican leadership aid accuses democrats of leaking details in order to portray republicans negatively. the talks are continuing, which itself can be read as some sort of progress. whether that's real progress or washington progress, remains to be seen. a lot to talk about starting with tennessee republican senator bob corker. thanks very much for joining us. let's talk about grover norquist. no new taxes pledged. you said earlier in your career, you told cbs morning news earlier today, and i'm quoting now, you said you
. >> so far, senator durbin has limited company among some fellow democrats. keeping them honest during the last budget showdown, both sides talked like this, but then they backed away. also as we mentioned a moment ago, there are late new signs that nobody's quite ready to cut a deal. another round of white house talks between congressional leaders and president obama was promised but is yet to materialize. a senate democratic leadership aid telling us that staff level meetings meant to...
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senator dick durbin was on abc and suggested that. the minute you push for specifics, raising the retirement age on medicare, he starts to flounder. i don't know we're moving towards any kind of deal yet. on politics, simplicity sells. a tax pledge is very simple. it communicates with your voters directly. here's the deal. republicans want low taxes for two reasons. they believe it's better for economic growth. we lost the election. we're going to lose that battle. also because they believe it will force spending restraints. i'm not sure that's true. voters need to feel the consequences of your decisions. if you choose higher spending you might just have to pay for it with higher taxes. sooner or later that burden might have to be the spending restraints. >> i think voters are already feeling the consequences, though, aren't they, jason? >> yeah. voters are already feeling the consequences. i also think the voters said something in 2012. look, we are tired of rigidity in washington. tired of people holding on to 20 year pledges. like
senator dick durbin was on abc and suggested that. the minute you push for specifics, raising the retirement age on medicare, he starts to flounder. i don't know we're moving towards any kind of deal yet. on politics, simplicity sells. a tax pledge is very simple. it communicates with your voters directly. here's the deal. republicans want low taxes for two reasons. they believe it's better for economic growth. we lost the election. we're going to lose that battle. also because they believe it...
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same thing yesterday with dick durbin who came on the show because eric said, okay, we'll do deals on taxes, but you brought up capital gains tax, no. carried interest, no. raising the actual marginal rates, no, we don't want to do that yet when he left we got calls from democrats saying does he really want to make a deal? >> i got two yesterday that -- >> i got e-mails from democrats going wow, he sounds like he wants to make a deal. one senator said did he really mean what he said? considering that he said nothing, yeah, i guess so but it was the tone then yesterday dick durbin came on and we had to basically stop asking about medicare about three or four minutes in because it was nonsensical talking about creating new programs. but this is a guy that also supporting simpson bowles and let us know like eric, we'll make a deal and figure it out. >> both sides at various times tells you something about recent history. you think about where republicans were a year and a half ago, where their attitude was, no, we will not discuss revenues, not one penny, ever, ever, ever so for cantor t
same thing yesterday with dick durbin who came on the show because eric said, okay, we'll do deals on taxes, but you brought up capital gains tax, no. carried interest, no. raising the actual marginal rates, no, we don't want to do that yet when he left we got calls from democrats saying does he really want to make a deal? >> i got two yesterday that -- >> i got e-mails from democrats going wow, he sounds like he wants to make a deal. one senator said did he really mean what he...
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and durbin yesterday, senator durbin, yesterday said we're not going to raise the retirement age for medicare. i don't know. so willie, can i ask you something? because we're talking about health care. >> anything. >> and the democrats, they're going, this is the greatest thing ever, and they're crying, this historic cause. >> it's pretty great. >> it happened at my house. you remember right after health care passed and all the republicans on the floor and said, freedom died tonight. >> i remember shortly after it passed, your son signed up for it. go ahead. sorry. willie, continue. >> can i make my point? >> yes, yes, you can. >> so they all went to the house floor and said, freedom died. >> was that before or after joey signed up for it? yes. >> i got nothing else to say. >> okay. >> go ahead. >> oh, was i interrupting? >> 18 times. >> oh, i'm so sorry. >> so senator john mccain softening his attacks on susan rice after vowing to block the potential nomination as secretary of state. republicans claim ambassador rice deliberately misled the country in the aftermath of the september
and durbin yesterday, senator durbin, yesterday said we're not going to raise the retirement age for medicare. i don't know. so willie, can i ask you something? because we're talking about health care. >> anything. >> and the democrats, they're going, this is the greatest thing ever, and they're crying, this historic cause. >> it's pretty great. >> it happened at my house. you remember right after health care passed and all the republicans on the floor and said, freedom...
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durbin: madam president? the presiding officer: the senator from illinois. mr. durbin: madam president, the minority leader, senator mcconnell, has addressed two issues, the entitlement programs as well as rules changes smed i would tweefe defer to my colleao discuss the rule changes. i would respond to senator mcconnell on entitlements. there is to question that as a senate and house of representatives we should address the longevity and solvency of social security and medicare. it should be part of our conversation about the deficit facing this country and the debt of our nation. but the way we approach it the changes we make are significant and should be looked at carefully. on the issue of social security, i might remind those following this debate, the answer from the republican side for years was "privatize social security; get government out of the business of retirement; let individuals take their investmen retirementt it." that happened when people saw their life savings evaporate as a result of downturns in the stock market. they started envisioning wh
durbin: madam president? the presiding officer: the senator from illinois. mr. durbin: madam president, the minority leader, senator mcconnell, has addressed two issues, the entitlement programs as well as rules changes smed i would tweefe defer to my colleao discuss the rule changes. i would respond to senator mcconnell on entitlements. there is to question that as a senate and house of representatives we should address the longevity and solvency of social security and medicare. it should be...
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senator durbin said that social security does not add one penny to the deficit and should be left alone. and republicans say they will not accept higher rates for the healthy. current trends smoe taxes for the rich are actually drops that is thanks to the bush tax cuts that lowered the rate on investment income, and the fact that wealthy americans are making more money from their investments than ever before. according to new data, from the irs, a tax rate for those making more than $100,000 a year and for those making more than $10 million a year their tax rate was lower. capital gains rates are the biggest driver of income in america. more bill press after the break. stay with us. created ad message for little caesars who proudly salutes unites states veterans everywhere. >> hi, i'm rick loz. i joined the united states air force in 1987. you're about to watch a viewer created ad message for little caesars who proudly salutes unites states veterans >> hi, i'm rick loz. i joined the united states air force in 1987. as i was leaving the service i went into a civilian career for a little
senator durbin said that social security does not add one penny to the deficit and should be left alone. and republicans say they will not accept higher rates for the healthy. current trends smoe taxes for the rich are actually drops that is thanks to the bush tax cuts that lowered the rate on investment income, and the fact that wealthy americans are making more money from their investments than ever before. according to new data, from the irs, a tax rate for those making more than $100,000 a...
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some entilement reform is okay with illinois democratic senator dig durbin, but thinks that social security should be left alone. >> social security does not add one penny to our debt. not a penny. it's a separate funded operation and we can do things and i believe we should, smaller things played out long-term that give it solvency. >> and congressman peter king says nobody will get all they want, but if president reagan and speaker o'neill could get a deal, president obama and speaker boehner should as well. >> harris: let's hope that's true. thank you. right now, a child missing, city on edge and volunteers going door-to-door to try to find young dylan. also, no longer a mysteries, but an official cause. we now know why a strip club blew up and more than 40 buildings and homes including a day care center were heavily damaged. debris for blocks. and we'll check with the firefighters injured trying to save lives. and can it get any bigger? the powerball lottery mightier and millions of americans buying tickets. are you playing? stay close. with verizon. hurry in this saturday and sunday fo
some entilement reform is okay with illinois democratic senator dig durbin, but thinks that social security should be left alone. >> social security does not add one penny to our debt. not a penny. it's a separate funded operation and we can do things and i believe we should, smaller things played out long-term that give it solvency. >> and congressman peter king says nobody will get all they want, but if president reagan and speaker o'neill could get a deal, president obama and...
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but today for example dick durbin, the number two leader of the democrats in the senate came out and gave a policy speech. he has a lot of credibility on deficit reduction. while he said medicare and medicaid changes in those programs should not be part of the first step, the democrats have to look at that down the road in order to be constructive on deficit reduction. this is a senator, liberal democrat, part of the gang of six, somebody with a lot of credibility on deficit issues. i think that opens the door a little bit. you're seeing it on the democratic side. you're seeing it a little bit on the republican side. >> both sides are going to have to open the door more than just a little bit. they're going to have to make a deal. >> because the one mandate from the public was fix things. >> fix it. and do it quick. gloria, thank you. cnn's getting exclusive new information and photographs of paula broadwell, her affair with jen david petraeus forced him to leave the cia. now her friends are coming to her defense. >>> and a 7-year-old cancer patient tries a controversial treatment. m
but today for example dick durbin, the number two leader of the democrats in the senate came out and gave a policy speech. he has a lot of credibility on deficit reduction. while he said medicare and medicaid changes in those programs should not be part of the first step, the democrats have to look at that down the road in order to be constructive on deficit reduction. this is a senator, liberal democrat, part of the gang of six, somebody with a lot of credibility on deficit issues. i think...
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remember dick durbin on your show earlier in the week put that $400 billion marker down. democrats privately tell us they'll go higher, perhaps much higher if republicans get serious on raising taxes. they'll cut spending by about $1.2 trillion, which is the total of sequestration. and they'll probably have to throw in a debt limit increase to avoid hitting that in february. people involved in the talks feel like they can get there. there's no doubt it's going to take some time, boehner has to get republicans more comfortable with raising taxes including raising rates. i don't think there's a scenario where the rates don't go up on people making over $250,000. and democrats have to get more comfortable with entitlement changes. but at the end of the day, obama can deliver democrats. and i think boehner's stronger today than he was three months ago, and he could deliver more republicans than he could of them. >> on that question of taxing the wealthy, you alluded to it in a comprehensive piece that you and mike allen wrote, everybody ought to read it at "politico" today. y
remember dick durbin on your show earlier in the week put that $400 billion marker down. democrats privately tell us they'll go higher, perhaps much higher if republicans get serious on raising taxes. they'll cut spending by about $1.2 trillion, which is the total of sequestration. and they'll probably have to throw in a debt limit increase to avoid hitting that in february. people involved in the talks feel like they can get there. there's no doubt it's going to take some time, boehner has to...
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durbin said no. norquist is saying no tax increase. what else is there? am i missing something? what am i missing? blankfe >> stallen made a lot of sense. mass murderer about you doesn't mean he didn't make sense. >> blankfein, kent, mayer, roberts of comcast. is there anything these guys can say to change their tune? to get people -- >> we're just past thanksgiving. let's give it a little time. things can change. we've seen lots of back and forth. everybody is establishing their negotiating position. there's still a negotiation to come in some way. i'll take the optimistic view. >> maybe that's where they are starting from. >> a reset button? >> we have yet to get in there and see whether in fact there can be the ability to knock heads around and really figure something out here from the executive, the chief executive, that being the president and the leaders of both sides whether it be boehner and whether he can control his side of things and/or reid in the senate and whether we see moderates step up to try to get something done. i'm not willing to say as you seem to be that w
durbin said no. norquist is saying no tax increase. what else is there? am i missing something? what am i missing? blankfe >> stallen made a lot of sense. mass murderer about you doesn't mean he didn't make sense. >> blankfein, kent, mayer, roberts of comcast. is there anything these guys can say to change their tune? to get people -- >> we're just past thanksgiving. let's give it a little time. things can change. we've seen lots of back and forth. everybody is establishing...
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. >> some entitlement reform is okay with illinois democratic senator durbin but he thinks social security should be last alone. >> social security does not add one penny to our debt. it is a separate funded operation and we can do things and i believe we should, now, played out long term that gives it solvency. >>peter: congressman king says no one will get what he wants but in president reagan and thomas "tip" o'neill could make a deal, so, too, should speaker boehner and president obama. >>gregg: and now the top people responsible for our defense, first, general petraeus resigning as head the c.i.a. amid scandal. there could also be big changes at the pentagon. as well at state department. whoever the president chooses, it could impact, for example, the use of armed drones taking out al qaeda overseas. and lots of other security matters. and now, a fox news contributeor and pollster joining us, and former senior advisor to senator john mccain. the use of the unmanned drones to take out terrorists who want to murder americans, on its face it should be a no-brainer but national security a
. >> some entitlement reform is okay with illinois democratic senator durbin but he thinks social security should be last alone. >> social security does not add one penny to our debt. it is a separate funded operation and we can do things and i believe we should, now, played out long term that gives it solvency. >>peter: congressman king says no one will get what he wants but in president reagan and thomas "tip" o'neill could make a deal, so, too, should speaker...
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. >> reporter: senator durbin, a top democrat in the senate says put everything on the table. though owe went on he is concerned about changes in medicare that might set off gaps in coverage, senior citizens not getting health care coverage. there you go. they're saying to put everything on the table but when you get in the details that's why they haven't come to a deal because the devil will be in the details, jenna. jenna: maybe they start with a salute and end with a handshake. ed, great to see you report great to see you. jenna: thank you very much. jon: several republican lawmakers are toning down their criticism of u.n. ambassador susan rice and her handling of the deadly attack on the consulate in libya. ambassador rice was under fire for appearances on the television immediately after the attack where she blamed it on the youtube video. many vocal critics, like senator john mccain are turning up the heat on president obama and the state department. >> the problem is the president of the united states in a debate with mitt romney said that he had said it was a terrorist
. >> reporter: senator durbin, a top democrat in the senate says put everything on the table. though owe went on he is concerned about changes in medicare that might set off gaps in coverage, senior citizens not getting health care coverage. there you go. they're saying to put everything on the table but when you get in the details that's why they haven't come to a deal because the devil will be in the details, jenna. jenna: maybe they start with a salute and end with a handshake. ed,...
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on abc this week, richard durbin of illinois, lindsey gramm of the south carolina. we will see adam smith from washington and a ban affleck who directed "argo." on me to the press, carl levin, peter king, and gregory meeks. we will also see the chairman and chief executive of honeywell international. our next call joining us on the independent line. we have pat from tennessee. caller: you made the statement a few minutes ago, exactly my thought. when you have senators and representatives of their in congress, then they are representing the states. that is how the states have a say in the budget talks. i noticed a while back they talked about reducing your marks. that is when they put things in that they want to add to the budget, things that the one for the states. that is how they are represented already. thank you. host: thank you. what you were quoting was eight tweet that came in that said states already have a say by sending members to the house and senate. democrats line. caller: i think today pose the question is interesting. this was one of the first questio
on abc this week, richard durbin of illinois, lindsey gramm of the south carolina. we will see adam smith from washington and a ban affleck who directed "argo." on me to the press, carl levin, peter king, and gregory meeks. we will also see the chairman and chief executive of honeywell international. our next call joining us on the independent line. we have pat from tennessee. caller: you made the statement a few minutes ago, exactly my thought. when you have senators and...
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senator dick durbin a member of the boles-simpson commission and the so-called gang of eight lag out the progressive case for a bipartisan fiscal cliff deal. we'll bring you headlines as they happen. when we come back, men have a rep utation for hagting to shop. we'll tell you why they say men are the new women. back here after a break. suffer n 2 or more days a week, why use temporary treatments when you can prevent the acid that's causing it with prevacid24hr. with one pill prevacid24hr works at the source to prevent the acid that causes frequent heartburn all day and all night. and with new prevacid24hr perks, you can earn rewards from dinner deals to music downloads for purchasing prevacid24hr. prevent acid all day and all night for 24 hours with prevacid24hr. prevent acid all day and all night for 24 hours if we want to improve our schools... ... what should we invest in? maybe new buildings? what about updated equipment? they can help, but recent research shows... ... nothing transforms schools like investing in advanced teacher education. let's build a strong foundation. let's
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you have senator durbin talking about hang-ups in the united states. you have the vote over in barcelona. there's a lot of self-inflicted political wounds the market is trying to price in. volatility will be a function of this political instability for at least a handful of weeks going into the first quarter of 2013. >> what was last week about? 400 points. great day on friday albeit shortened session, light volume. was that real? was it fake? what was your impression? >> a mismatch between fundame fundamenta fundamentals. you saw economic news out of the united states. corporate news wasn't bad. you saw news out of china which was improving. global growth story is okay. it's far from great. it's okay. you have europe in recession. germany continues to chug along at an okay level. on a mixed data environment when you get excesses of pricing, you get bouncebacks as well. >> given uncertainty over tax, would you be as inclined to be aggressive in what is a good month or preserve gains for the year? >> it depends on what they are trying to accomplish. dep
you have senator durbin talking about hang-ups in the united states. you have the vote over in barcelona. there's a lot of self-inflicted political wounds the market is trying to price in. volatility will be a function of this political instability for at least a handful of weeks going into the first quarter of 2013. >> what was last week about? 400 points. great day on friday albeit shortened session, light volume. was that real? was it fake? what was your impression? >> a mismatch...
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he actually had to walk out of the negotiations because when he sat there with durbin he said i'm not really for tax increases i'm just putting tax increases on the table, and he's giving me all these spending cuts and i haven't agreed to anything. i just talk about tax increases. and i said a senator, do you think it is possible but he goes back to the democratic caucus and says i'm putting these imaginary spending cuts on the table and he didn't know these tax increases and tom coburn said he would never be that dishonest. i think he is and i think you are not. i think he takes you seriously and you should not take him seriously. but again, they spend more than a year putting the simpson-bowles which of you haven't seen it is a slide presentation outline, the only numbers are in the page numbers. it's a series of interesting things. the tax burden is to go up from 18.5% and full employment to 21. that is a 5 trillion-dollar tax increase over a decade. the opening bid, plus and a trillion dollars of the tax increases from eliminating and reducing deductions and exemptions and so on,
he actually had to walk out of the negotiations because when he sat there with durbin he said i'm not really for tax increases i'm just putting tax increases on the table, and he's giving me all these spending cuts and i haven't agreed to anything. i just talk about tax increases. and i said a senator, do you think it is possible but he goes back to the democratic caucus and says i'm putting these imaginary spending cuts on the table and he didn't know these tax increases and tom coburn said he...